Friday, September 26, 2008

#8 This podcast cost 583 Billion tax payer dollars

In this podcast Tyler and Dan discuss Canada vs. the world, the delightful works of Yahoo Serious, Surf Ninjas and a challenge is given to you, our dear listeners.

It will be Villainous!




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14 comments:

Bill said...

I think Dan is right about the emperor being the evilest.

I think Galactus deserves a mention on the evil guy list, just for sheer body count. He's devoured countless planets and wiped out tons of races. He's more a force of natural then the emperor (he's not out for power or anything).

Dan said...

See, I thought of Galactus when I was pondering dudes and dismissed him solely on the fact that he does what he does because he needs planets in order to survive. While others may view him as evil because he destroys planets it isn't really that different from a carnivore hunting for food. It is just on a huger scale and unfortunately planets that are often inhabited.

Gorrozolla said...

When did THIS thing start??? I have been missing out on all the sweet man-mumblings of my two favourite bi-peds.

Bill said...

Well even though Galactus needs worlds for food, he could choose to die himself rather than continue to kill sentient people. For him sentients are just ants, but it doesn't change the fact that his actions are selfish and cruel.

Dan said...

Har Har, it is a Marc! Now that you are here we can ask you questions about Japan. Are people stacked like plywood there? What is going on with that population?

I will agree that he is pretty evil for that Bill though in the end it still is just survival instinct. What if someone told you that in order for you to keep on living you had to spend two hours a day stomping on ant hills and killing as many ants as possible. You would do it for sure because they are just ants; that is how Galactus operates.

The Umbrella Man said...

Consider this:

Is evil a question of what exactly a person has done, or what they would do if they had the opportunity?

If evil is something intangible inherent to a character's personality, that opens up the discussion a bit.

Dan said...

I would think Evil would be the act. I think darkness lies in the hearts of a lot of people but they know how to control these impulses and do the right thing rather than murdering, raping, pillaging etc.

Doesn't it take a different type of person to transfer a thought like "Man I hate that guy, I wish I could kill him" to actually going out and murdering someone who angers them.

Though I would agree that someone who thinks of hate and murder all day long but never takes the next step is a shade of evil. Like someone who is tremendously racist and thinks another race should be wiped out. This is evil but far less evil than someone who actually goes out there and does it.

vrock said...

A few things:
-go go gadget weiner. classic and hilarious
-Beastly killed all the care bears babies??
-I am not required to comment on anything. However, I think that No Heart from the care bears wins at most evil. He hates care bears! Cute fluffy little bears that represent all that is good in the world. No Heart is concentrated evil, whose only purpose is to wipe out all happiness.

The Umbrella Man said...

Doesn't it take a different type of person to transfer a thought like "Man I hate that guy, I wish I could kill him" to actually going out and murdering someone who angers them.

Exactly my point.

What someone does may be a good indicator of their morality, but it's a far cry from being the same thing. You even noted this in your description of Galactus.

I think in the case of a lot of villains, they are capable of killing on a mass scale morally, even to the level of the emperor, but lack the physical means or power to do so, let alone without getting caught/killed and so on.

Serial-killers who have yet to kill are a good example: people like Dahmer and Bundy initially refrained from killing for fear of the repercussions.

It's really an ego-superego thing, if you're at all familiar with Freud. Morality is in the superego, or conscience, whereas the ego is strictly a survival instinct.

A highly unlikely situation to illustrate my point: let's say that by some twist of fate, the emperor had a change of heart -- highly unlikely, again, but the emperor could be anyone here -- and did a complete 360 in his personality.

If someone's past was filled with unspeakable evil, but they'd made an honest commitment to paying their penance, perhaps even wracked by a similarly unspeakable guilt, are they irrevocably evil?

Similarly, if someone whose past was filled with good turned around and started killing people for pleasure, does their past even factor in to their current morality?

Ted Bundy, for example, had a history in politics where he ostensibly did a lot of good for the community, as did John Wayne Gacey (who also entertained children as a birthday clown, of all things).

Is someone who kills for the advancement of their power more evil than someone who kills for the actual pleasure they find in inflicting pain and ending life?

Certainly you could say that the emperor has done more evil things than any other villain, but morality is a far more complicated beast.

The Umbrella Man said...

It's Matt by the way --

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I was just looking forward to the discussion of evilest but it seemed to have been shot down.

Dan said...

Naw, no argumentativeness felt. Who do you believe is the evilest fictional character then? Is it someone who actually goes out and does the things they think about or is it someone with incredibly evil thoughts who is scared to get caught etc?

The Umbrella Man said...

After significant pondering, I'm going to have to go with "Lootenplunder" of Captain Planet fame.

He lived for that shit.

Dan said...

Plus according to wikipedia he "sports business suits with patterns of rare or endangered animals." That is some Cruela Deville type shenanigans.

I'm pretty sure the Emperor is a polyester blend kinda dude.

Gorrozolla said...

Um, no, I wouldnt say cardboard. More like Eggo waffles. If you take Tokyo for example, It has the same population density of Downtown Toronto, except that desity goes to the horizon in every direction you look. Yes, houses and apartments are smaller, but not that much more so than Canada. About 80% of Japan is Mountains or other unlivable terrain, so the Japanese have just gotten good at using space wisely. But I am in a small town that I would compare almost exactly to Dundas in size, amenities. There is plenty of empty space in Japan though. The cities here are no more crowded than any big Canadian city.